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then and there present besides this depone … then and there present besides this deponent and the sayd Trumpeter his<br />
precontests Abraham Johnson and William Astell togeather with one Mr<br />
Simonds of the Prize Office and the saile maker of the ''Salvador'' and saith<br />
hee this deponent was not in the voyage in question and otherwise saving<br />
as aforesayd hee cannot depose./
To the 40th hee saith that if hee were Judge of the busines and that if it<br />
were in his power hee would condemne the shipps the ''Sampson'', the ''Salvador''<br />
and the ''Saint GGeorge'' in question and the silver and goods in them for prize to this<br />
State for that hee verily beleeveth them to bee good prize, and as good<br />
prize as any that in a longe space came or were brought into England/
To the 43th hee saith that hee is a haberdasher by trade and useth to<br />
waite aboard shipps for the prize office and is constantly taxed and payeth<br />
towards the Armye and Navie as a parishioner and housekeeper where<br />
hee dwelleth./
Repeated before doctors Clerke and Godolphin.
Willliam Pembridge [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]
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The first of November 1653. [CENTRE HEADING]
Examined upon the allegation on the behalfe of the State given<br />
in theis cause the seaventh of October last past.
'''.1us'''
'''Roger Kilvert''' of London Marchant, aged 67 yeares or<br />
thereabouts sworne and examined saith and deposeth<br />
as followeth, videlicet.
To the first article of the said allegation hee saith and deposeth that the exportation<br />
of plate and bullion from any parts or places in the kingdome of Spaine<br />
is absolutely forbidden by the lawes of that countrey, and noe man<br />
may lade and expect any without speciall license for the same, and<br />
whatsoever parcells shall be found laden without without license and seized in Spaine shall be<br />
liable to confiscation: which hee knoweth having as a merchant lived 20 yeares<br />
in that countrye ended about 27 yeares since, and having ever since traded thither<br />
and being by that meanes well acquainted with the customes and lawes of that<br />
countrey in the matter of lading of silver and plate, And saith that<br />
hee this deponent hath knowne when many parcells of silver have<br />
bin seized and apprehended in the parts and ports of Spaine within theise<br />
fourtie yeares last past, and that such parcells have bin condemned for<br />
confiscate, but doth not knowe that any person did suffer death for the crime<br />
of exporting his owne money. And further cannot depose.
To the second and third articles hee saith and deposeth that for the discovery<br />
of those which export plate without license the Judges in Spaine search<br />
merchants bookes and writings and closets and doe alsoe search many shipps<br />
that are ready to set saile to finde out the bills of lading or the Pursers<br />
bookes, which may discover the offenders in this kinde, and for prevention<br />
in theise cases, many merchants put into the bills of lading the laders by<br />
feigned and unknowne names, and many make bills of lading with blanck<br />
as to the name of the laders; but the contents of the plate laden, and the<br />
parties to whom consigned is usually plainly expressed, And this<br />
he knoweth for the reasons aforesaid, And further hee cannot depose.
To the fourth hee saith that hee this deponent cannot particularly expresse<br />
any parcells of plate to be laden and exported from Spaine for the<br />
accompted from Spaine for the<br />
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