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The 29th of March 1659

The Lord Protector against a certaine}
shipp named the Hope, Don Juan lopez}
Comander and her goods and against Page and others}

Examined upon the allegation given in on the
behalfe of the said Lord Protector the 24th

Row dt.


Simon Tomson Bleau of Amsterdam Sailor, aged seaventeene
yeares or thereabouts sworne and examined.

To the first article hee saith that all the Indico, Sassaperilla and other the
goods and merchandizes that were taken and stayed in the said shipp the Hope
were and are of the growth, product and manufacture of the West India's
and were all taken in and laded aboard her in or at Truxilla and honduras
places in the West Indies under the dominion of and obedience to the king of
Spaine, and were all bought and provided and caused to be laden
by the said John Lopes, which hee knoweth because hee was one of the said shipps
company and aboard her and saw such lading of them at the said p[?a]rts.

To the second hee saith that hee hath heard both the said John Lopez himselfe [?and GUTTER]
other the Spaniards that were in the said shipp say and affirme that hee the
said John Lopez was a Spanaird and subiect of the king of Spaine, borne at
Mont[?ania] in the said kingdome of Spaine, and for such hee was and is
commonly accounted and reputed, yeelding a reason of his knowledge as

To the third hee saith that there were in and belonged to the said shipp [?when] shee
came to and was staid at Milford haven, twenty men of her company, besides
the said John lopez which John with other of the said company were and
are Spaniards, subiects of the king of Spaine and for such commonly
accompted. And saith that when the said shipp was soe at the west Indies
both her company and others ashore often said in this deponents hearing that shee
belonged to Spaniards, and at Trinidad shee was entred and dispatched (as
her company often said in this deponents hearing) as and for a Spanish shipp or
belonging to Spaniards, and the Spaniards aforesaid that were in her went
and tooke their oathes there (as they themselves repeated
afterwards) that shee was a Spanish shipp, and belonged to Spaniards, and
that they were subiects of the king of Spaine, and that for money and goods, given
the Governour of Trinidad they had a passe for her as a shipp that
belonged to Spaniards and being in Spaniards service. And further saving
his former deposition hee cannot depose.

To the fourth hee saith that noe English, hollanders or persons of any other
places or nations not subiect to the king of Spaine are permitted to trade
or traffique in the Spanish West Indies, and that it is the frequent and constant
practice of the Spaniards there to seize and make prize of all shipps and goods
there of all persons that are not subiects of the said king, which hee saith [XXX GUTTER]
and is true and publique, and well knowne to this deponent who was about
five yeares together in the said Spanish West Indies next before hee came
this voyage, Nay soe strict are they in prohiniting any there to trade that
are not Spaniards, that they will not permit Biskaners, albeit they are
the said kings subiects, there to trtade unlesse they have a passe from Spa[?ine GUTTER]

To the fifth hee saith hee was not present at the hiring or shipping of the
Spaniards, nor knoweth on what termes they were shipped whether for wages or [?not GUTTER]
and hee beleeveth there is no freight paid or received for the said shipps [XXXXXXX GUTTER]
because her voyage was not ended when shee was staid at Millford, and saith
the said Captaine don Juan lopez and the Spaniards have from time to time on
the said voyage used and ordered the said lading as if it were their owne goods, and
have from time to time affirmed it to be theirs, And otherwise referring
himselfe to the writings aboard, hee cannot depose, not knowing to write or
reade as hee saith.