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==Other fishmongers in HCA records in the 1650s==
 
  
 
Richard Baddely of the parish of Stepney in the County of Middlesex ffishmonger and Citizen of London aged 38 yeares<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.662r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.662r]]</ref>
 
Richard Baddely of the parish of Stepney in the County of Middlesex ffishmonger and Citizen of London aged 38 yeares<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.662r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.662r]]</ref>
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Robert Westrow of the parish of Saint dunstans in the East in the City of London ffishmonger aged 26. yeares<ref>[[HCA 13/70 f.185r Annotate|HCA 13/70 f.185r]]</ref>
 
Robert Westrow of the parish of Saint dunstans in the East in the City of London ffishmonger aged 26. yeares<ref>[[HCA 13/70 f.185r Annotate|HCA 13/70 f.185r]]</ref>
 
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| | HCA 13/64 || Feb 26 1651|| Johannes Creamer || [http://www.marinelives.org/wiki/MRP:_HCA_13/64#Case:_.3FBagnall_and_Rider:_Deposition:_Johannes_Creamer.2C_of_St_Michael_Crooked_Lane.2C_London.2C_Citizen_.26_XXX.2C_aged_24:_Date:_February_24th_1650 HCA 13/64, unfol.]
 
| | HCA 13/64 || Feb 26 1651|| Johannes Creamer || [http://www.marinelives.org/wiki/MRP:_HCA_13/64#Case:_.3FBagnall_and_Rider:_Deposition:_Johannes_Creamer.2C_of_St_Michael_Crooked_Lane.2C_London.2C_Citizen_.26_XXX.2C_aged_24:_Date:_February_24th_1650 HCA 13/64, unfol.]
 
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John Cremer consistently spelled his surname "Cremer", not "Creamer", when signing three separate depositions in the High Court of Admiralty.
 
John Cremer consistently spelled his surname "Cremer", not "Creamer", when signing three separate depositions in the High Court of Admiralty.
  
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He was the apprentice of James Bartram, fishmonger, who had a shop in Thamestreete<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.258r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.258r]]</ref> His deposition in 1655 makes reference to events in 1644, when he was ca. 15 years old and apprenticed to James Bartram.<ref>[[HCA 13/70 f.345v Annotate|HCA 13/70 f.345v]]</ref>
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He was the apprentice of James Bartram, fishmonger, who had a shop in Thamestreete.<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.258r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.258r]]</ref> His deposition in 1655 makes reference to events in 1644, when he was ca. 15 years old and apprenticed to James Bartram.<ref>[[HCA 13/70 f.345v Annotate|HCA 13/70 f.345v]]</ref>
  
 
James Bartram appears in a listing of inhabitants of London in 1638 for the parish of Saint Magnus by London Bridge. The listing shows multiple houses and shops under the name James Bartram. One house and shop is recorded as being on Thames Street Westward on the South Side, with a rent of £14. Another house and shop, separated by entries for four other men, is shown at the same location, with a rent of £8. A third shop is shown on New Fish Street, Westside, with a rent of £4.<ref>T C Dale, 'Inhabitants of London in 1638: St. Magnus by London Bridge', in The Inhabitants of London in 1638 (London, 1931), pp. 94-96. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/london-inhabitants/1638/pp94-96 [accessed 23 July 2016].</ref>
 
James Bartram appears in a listing of inhabitants of London in 1638 for the parish of Saint Magnus by London Bridge. The listing shows multiple houses and shops under the name James Bartram. One house and shop is recorded as being on Thames Street Westward on the South Side, with a rent of £14. Another house and shop, separated by entries for four other men, is shown at the same location, with a rent of £8. A third shop is shown on New Fish Street, Westside, with a rent of £4.<ref>T C Dale, 'Inhabitants of London in 1638: St. Magnus by London Bridge', in The Inhabitants of London in 1638 (London, 1931), pp. 94-96. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/london-inhabitants/1638/pp94-96 [accessed 23 July 2016].</ref>
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The archive of the Fishmongers' Company is held at the Guildhall Library site, but under London Metropolitan Archives administration. It contains a series of apprenticeship registers (GL Mss 5576). The first volume covers the period 1614-1650.<ref>[http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/livery-companies-included-in-london-apprenticeship-abstracts/fishmongers-company-apprenticeships Findmypast, Fishmongers' Company apprenticeships], viewed 23/07/2016</ref><ref>[http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=14186&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2= AIM 25, Worshipful Company of Fishmongers], viewed 23/07/2016</ref>
 
The archive of the Fishmongers' Company is held at the Guildhall Library site, but under London Metropolitan Archives administration. It contains a series of apprenticeship registers (GL Mss 5576). The first volume covers the period 1614-1650.<ref>[http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/livery-companies-included-in-london-apprenticeship-abstracts/fishmongers-company-apprenticeships Findmypast, Fishmongers' Company apprenticeships], viewed 23/07/2016</ref><ref>[http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=14186&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2= AIM 25, Worshipful Company of Fishmongers], viewed 23/07/2016</ref>
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John Cremer


Richard Baddely of the parish of Stepney in the County of Middlesex ffishmonger and Citizen of London aged 38 yeares[1]

Richard Bentham of the parish of Saint Nicholas Cole Abbey London ffishmonger aged 39 yeares[2]

Samuel Birdsey of Wapping Wall citizen and ffishmonger of London aged 22 yeares[3]

Henry Burrowes servant of Widowe Branckstowe of the parish of Saint mary Magdalen Old ffish Streete London ffishmonger aged 24 yeares[4]

John Creamer of the parish of Saint Magnus London ffishmonger aged 29 yeeres[5]

John Cremer of the parish of Saint Magnus London ffishmonger, aged 26 yeares[6]

Thomas Fisher: Living at ffleete Bridge London Fishmonger, aged 46 yeeres[7]

Captaine John Greene of the parish of Saint Magnus London ffishmonger, aged 40 yeeres[8]

Richard Haldoe of London ffishmonger lately [?XXX] by Captaine James Brock to attend aboard the shipp Brewer whereof Claus Van R?oton was master aged [?XX] yeares[9]

Josias Harrison of the parrish of Saint Michael Crooked Lane London ffishmonger, aged 25. yeares[10]

Josias Harrison servant to John Cooke, of the parish of Saint Michaells Crooked Lane London ffishmonger, aged 26 yeers[11]

Thomas Hicks of London ffishmonger, aged 39 yeeres[12]

Thomas Lockington of the parish of Saint Mary Magdalen Old fish streete ffishmonger aged 53 yeares[13]

Robert Rickman of Bartholomews Billingsgate London fishmonger aged 30 yeares or thereabouts, and James Calmady of Saint Mary [?At ?hills] London draper aged 30 yeares[14]

Robert Rickman of the parish of Saint Buttolphs Billingsgate London Cittizen and ffishmonger of London aged 31 yeares[15]

Robert Westrow of the parish of Saint dunstans in the East in the City of London ffishmonger aged 26. yeares[16]

John Cremer biographical information
Name
Title Firstname Lastname
John Cremer
John Cremer signature (1655), HCA 13/70 f.345v
Joh Cremer signature (1658), HCA 13/72 f.258r
Signature
Name variants
John Cremer
John Creamer
Johannes Creamer
John Cremer (signature, 1655)
Joh Cremer (signature, 1658)


Overview
Person Occupation Birth year Birth place Res parish Resident town
John Cremer Fishmonger 1629 Unknown Saint Magnus the Martyr London


Evidence from HCA
Volume Date Deponent Deposition start
HCA 13/64 Feb 26 1651 Johannes Creamer HCA 13/64, unfol.
HCA 13/70 Jul 6 1655 John Cremer HCA 13/70 f.345v Annotate
HCA 13/72 Mar 15 1658 John Creamer HCA 13/72 f.258r Annotate


Other information

John Cremer consistently spelled his surname "Cremer", not "Creamer", when signing three separate depositions in the High Court of Admiralty.

He was the apprentice of James Bartram, fishmonger, who had a shop in Thamestreete.[17] His deposition in 1655 makes reference to events in 1644, when he was ca. 15 years old and apprenticed to James Bartram.[18]

James Bartram appears in a listing of inhabitants of London in 1638 for the parish of Saint Magnus by London Bridge. The listing shows multiple houses and shops under the name James Bartram. One house and shop is recorded as being on Thames Street Westward on the South Side, with a rent of £14. Another house and shop, separated by entries for four other men, is shown at the same location, with a rent of £8. A third shop is shown on New Fish Street, Westside, with a rent of £4.[19]

Neither John Cremer [alt. Creamer] nor James Bartram appear in the 1666 hearth tax for the parish of Saint Magnus by London Bridge.

The archive of the Fishmongers' Company is held at the Guildhall Library site, but under London Metropolitan Archives administration. It contains a series of apprenticeship registers (GL Mss 5576). The first volume covers the period 1614-1650.[20][21]


  1. ↑ HCA 13/68 f.662r
  2. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.397v
  3. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.32v
  4. ↑ HCA 13/68 f.492r
  5. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.258r
  6. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.345v
  7. ↑ HCA 13/73 f.203r
  8. ↑ HCA 13/71 f.643r
  9. ↑ HCA 13/68 f.346v
  10. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.184r
  11. ↑ HCA 13/71 f.412v
  12. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.18v
  13. ↑ HCA 13/68 f.492r
  14. ↑ HCA 13/68 f.213v
  15. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.397r
  16. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.185r
  17. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.258r
  18. ↑ HCA 13/70 f.345v
  19. ↑ T C Dale, 'Inhabitants of London in 1638: St. Magnus by London Bridge', in The Inhabitants of London in 1638 (London, 1931), pp. 94-96. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/london-inhabitants/1638/pp94-96 [accessed 23 July 2016].
  20. ↑ Findmypast, Fishmongers' Company apprenticeships, viewed 23/07/2016
  21. ↑ AIM 25, Worshipful Company of Fishmongers, viewed 23/07/2016

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