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HCA 13/68
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Title on front leather cover in black ink:
"Lib:s a 21 Seot 1653
ad mens: Apr: 1654"
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Case: Claim of widow of Hance ?Lemmermann of Hamburg et al: Deposition: Jacob Wigandi, of Hambrorough, Merchant, aged 25: Date: November 2 1653
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The 2:d day of Novemb:r 1653:
The clayme of the widdowe of Hance ?Lemmerman)
of Hamborough deceased, and of John Lemmerman)
Hans Lemmerman and Thomas Lemmerman for
their goods in the Black Cock, whereof John ffrans?ea
??Saon was master) Budd ffrancklin)
jus.:
?vide ?Y.?Y.
JACOB WIGANDI of Hambrorough
Merchant aged 25. yeares or thereabouts
a Wittnes sworne and examined saith
and deposeth as followeth Viz:t
To the first second and third arles of the said Allon hee saith & deposeth
That in or about the moneth of January 1652. (new style) one
Abraham Vergensis of Dantsick in Poland, (whom this depon:t hath
for theise 5 (Poss 6) yeares and upwards by Correspondencie well knowne to
be ffacto:r agent or correspondent to the pties producent, and for severall
yeares before, as hee hath observed by their bookes of accompts) by the order
and direction of Katharine ?Lemmerman the Relict of the said Hance
?Lemmerman and of John, Hance and Thomas ?Lemmerman heires of
the said deceased, and for their accompt did take to freight
of the said John ffransen ?Saon (then and for some time before and
after Master of the said shipp the Black Cock) his said shipp then lying//
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//at or neare Dantsicke, to saile from thence to ?Polticher Wick about
6. Dutch miles from dantzicke, and there to take in a ffull ladeing
of pipestaves and clapboard, and to saile with the same from
thnce to S:t Lucar in Spaine, and in her Course thitherwards to
putt into Medenblick in Holland to attend Companie from those parts
for his better securitie againste the Zurkish shippe and sea Powers, and
being there arrived to unlade the said goods at S:t Lucar aforesaid, and to
receive such lading aboard his said shipp as hee there should be ordered and
appointed by the producents in this Cause and to bring and discharge the same to and at Amsterdam
for the said producents accompt; for which Voyage the said Master was to
have three thousand seaven hundred and fiftie gild:rs or florens, a
thousand floryns whereof were actually received by the said M:r in
Holland from Bernard ?Passo (OR, Rasso) and Companie facto:rs and Correspondents
of the said parties producent by their Order as by y:e schedule or originall acquittance now exted by the XXXX And to the effect aforesaid
upon or about the 22:th say of january 1652. new styl, a Charter ptie
was duly made between the said Abraham Vergensis on the behalf of
y:e said producents, and y:e said John ffranson ?Saon, which hee knoweth
because he was present at the contract and agreem:t aforesaid, and acting
and assisting in the making thereof, and as Wittnesse thereof signed and
subscribed the same, And saith That according to the said Contract in or
about the moneths of ffebrurary or March 1652. new style, the said shipp
uncer the Conduct of the said John ffranson ?Lsaon sett saile and
departed from Dantzicke to the Poltischer Wick aforesaid, where by
the order of the said facto:r shee received her full lading of Pipestaves
and Clapboard to bee transported in y:e said shipp to S:t Lucars aforesaid
and there to be delivered unto John ?Srrother ffacto:r and Correspondent
to the said pties producent for their accompt; whereupon after the
receiving of, the said lading the said shipp set sayle therewizj from y:e
Politscher Wick aforesaid, and in her Course towards S:t Lucar came
to Modenblick as aforesaid to attend Companie for the securitie of he
passage to S:t Lucar, where about the monethe of August or September
in the yeare 1652 last past shee arrived, and the said Lading was there delivered as aforesaid
Which hee knowethm being ffacto:r to and for the said pties producent, and
present at Dantsicke wher the said shipp sett saile from thence with
order to proceed as aforesaid. and since by letters of advise assured of the
trueth and realitie of the p:rmisses, And otherwise cannot depose
To the 4:th arle of the said Allon hee saith and deposeth, THat in or
about the moneth of October in the yeare 1652: last past, and after
the delivery of the said pipestaves and clapboards to the said John
SSrother and Companie Correspond:ts to the said pties producent by their
order and direction, the said John Srrother and Companies laded and
putt on board or casued to be laden and putt on board the said shipp
Black Cocke then laying before S:t Lucar in Spaine One hundred
ninety and six butts of sack, six butts of XXent wyne, two hundred
small barrells of olives, and seaventeene hogsheads: of olives, and nine
hundred//
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//hundred and ninetie dozen of Corke all well conditioned and y:s:d butts of wine marked
with the marke in the margent [L.H. margin: A. S. (with vertical I through S) M.] to be transported and carried in the said
shipp from S:t Lucar aforesaid to Amsterdam: there to be delivered
to Bernardo ?Pas (Or, Ras) and Companie the ffacto:rs agents and Correspondents
of the said parties producent for their prop accompt, and upon their adventure,
Which he knoweth for that hee this depon:t being as aforesaid facto:r and
agent to and for the said parties producent, and being from Dantzicke arrived
at Hamborough in or about the moneth of Novemb:r 1653. and there
frequently and familiarly conversant with the said pties producent, they a
acquainted this depon:t that they had given order to the said John Srrother and
Companie their said Correspondents, to lade the said shippe with wine and other
Commodities for their accompt (in ?returne of goods the said ffacto:rs had received from
them) to be transported and delivered as aforesaid; And for that this depon:t
being here in London about the later end of December 1652. about the said
producents occasions, they the said producents having intelligence that the said
shipp and ladeing were brought up into England, sent a lre to this depon:t
advising him this depon:t thereof, and gave him order to reclayme the goods
predeposed, and to that end they also sent him two originall bills of
lading, one for the goods predeposed, and the other for a quantitie of goods
in y:e same shipp, belonging to the said John Scrother, together with an
Attestation under the seale of Hamnorough for and concerning the propriety
of the goods predeposed, wherby this depon:t is fully and absolutely assured
that the said goods before sewally expressed did and doe in trueth and reality belong
unto the said producents as the true and lawfull Own:rs and Proprieto:rs
thereof, and for such the said producents were and are commonly accompted
reputed and taken, And otherwise cannot depose:
To the 5:th arle of the said Allon hee saith and deposeth, That the wines
olives and Corke sewally before expressed were, (as hee firmely for the reasons
precedent and subsequent is assured) brought and provided by the said John
Scrrother and Companie with the moneys effects or goods of the said producents
remaining in their hands, for that this depon:t being az Hamborough w:th
the said producents about a yeare agoe was by them entrusted and employed
as being their ffacto:r and agent to see and peruse their bookes of accompts,
wherein and whereby he found and observed, That the said producents in the yeare 1662. Past past in sewall
shipps had sent from Hamborough to their said facto:r in Spaine, and returne thereof to be made
unto them in Wines and other Commodities, Viz:t in one fatt n:° 1, marked A 10. pieces of
sup fine wire n:° 1/4. 20. peeces of y:e same. 12. of ?ring wyer n:° 1/2. 30. peeces of 4?S8 wyer n:° 1. 30. peeces 3/8
wire n:° 2. 30. peices of middle wire n:° 3. 30. peeces of needle wire n:° 4. 30. ps of small wyer n:° 5. 30
pieces of Course wire n:° 6.( 210 peeces of sorted iron wire at 50/8 p piece, 200. locks of sewall sorte n:° 2 : 3: 4. 5. 6. 8. 10. 12 at 30S8 p peece; and ina fatt n:° 2. 100 peeces of small wire, 130 peeces of course wire,
230 pieces of wire att 33 Ss a piece, and swall other quantities of wire, knives, Slesia linnen,
fustian, ?Bounsion and other goods wares and merchandizes, the numbers quantities and valewe
whereof this depo:t observed on the same produc_ts bookes of accompts, and t whom consigned for y:e
use and accompt afore mencconed, which said goods the said ffacto:r accordingly received, as this
depo:t by lres of advise sent to the said producents after the receipt thereof, hath well observed
and with the proceeds thereof, and of the said lading of pipestaves and Clapboard y:e
said ffacto:r provided and procured the wines and other goods now Claymed XX y:e accompt
of the said producents, Which hee knoweth for the reasons p:rdeposed, And otherwise
cannot depose
To y:e 6:th//
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To the 6:th and 7:th arles of the said Allon and schedule therein menconed but
not anneyed hee saith and deposeth, that, as this depont hath credibly
been informed and firmely beleeveth, the sayd John ffransen ?Lsaon at or
about the time of the lading of the sewall wuantities of goods predeposed, signed
and firmed to three bills of lading all of one teno:r for y:e said goods, one whereof
the said M:r hath seqall times affirmed to this depon:t was aboard his said shipp
at the time shee was surprized and taken by the Speaker ffriggott, and came
to the hands of the seiz:r, another being sent over Land to the producents at
Hamborough this depon:t , as aforesaid received from them, and the same hee
hath since sent annexed to a Commission from this Court expressely sent
to S:t Lucar in Spaine for the examination of wittnesses
concerning the trueth of the matter in question, which said bill of lading
this depon:t for the reasons p:rmised is fully assured to bee a true and reall
bill of lading, and no way fictitious or colourable. And otherwise referring
himselfe to his foregoing depon hee cannot depose; saving hee beleeveth y:e
third originall bill of Lading according to the usuall custome is remaining
in the hande of the said ffacto:r
To the 8:th hee saith hee hath credibly heard and firmely beleeveth, THat y:e
said shipp with her Ladeing predeposed on board her being in her direct
Course for Amsterdam were mett withall surprized and taken by the s:d
ship the Speaker ffrigatt and Captaine and Companie thereof by whom
they were brought to Dover in England. And otherwise cannot depose.
To the 9:th hee saith, That in the yeare 1652. and moneth therein
respectively concerning, and for 5. yeares before and till this p:rsent
the arlate John Scrrother an Bernardo Ras, were and are the
ffacto:rs agents and Correspondents of the said producents, and for such
commonly repute and taken, Which hee knoweth having for the like time
been book keep and facto:r to the said producents, and thereby well
acquainted with the p:rmisses. And othwrwise cannot depose; saving that by that
Pduce:ts bookes of accompte this dep:t hath observed y:t they have for sewall yeares before ?been their facto:rs
To the 10:th hee saith, That the said Hans Lemmerman deceased was
according to common report a Native of the Citie of Hamborough and a
Subiect of that ffree State untill his death, and for such commonly reputed
and taken, and that for sewall yeares before his death hee was a merchant
well knowne to drive a great trade in Spaine, which trade is since his death
continued by the said producents, of this depon:ts cetaine knowledge, and y:e
said John Lemmerman Thomas Lemmerman and Hance Lemmerman
were and are the naturall and lawfull children of y:e said Hans Lemmerman
deceased, and for such well knowne and generally accompted at Hamborough
aforesaid, and are heires of the said deceased, And saith that the said
producents were are and ought to bee the true and lawfull Own:rs of
the wines and of her goods predeposed now claymed in their names, Which
hee knoweth for the reasons by him predeposed. And otherwise cannot
depose.
To the 11:th hee saith that the said Katharine Lemmermann the Relict of
the said Hans Lemmerman deceased, and the said John Lemmermann
Thomas Lemmerman and Hanse Lemmerman were and are all of them
generally//
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