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−		+	|Transcription=To the :18th hee referreth himselfe to his foregoeing deposition
−	|Transcription=To the :18th hee referreth himselfe to his foregoeing deposition	+	where hee hath satisfied the same soe farr as hee can:
−	where hee hath satisfied the same soe farr as hee can:	+
	To the .19th hee saith that for about three yeeres last hee		To the .19th hee saith that for about three yeeres last hee
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	in money. Besides his twelve monethes pay which hee		in money. Besides his twelve monethes pay which hee
	receaved here in London) but upon what account		receaved here in London) but upon what account
−	hee soe received the same hee knoweth not :/:	+	hee soe received the same hee knoweth not :/:
	To the .21th and 22th Interrogatorie hee answereth. negatively		To the .21th and 22th Interrogatorie hee answereth. negatively
−	for his pt:./:	+	for his part:./:
	Thomas Yeomans [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]		Thomas Yeomans [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]
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	The 23th of April 1659./		The 23th of April 1659./
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	Merchant borne at Knasburrough in Yorkshire		Merchant borne at Knasburrough in Yorkshire
	aged 44 yeares of thereabouts a witness sworne		aged 44 yeares of thereabouts a witness sworne
−	& examined saith and deposeth as followeth videlicet	+	and examined saith and deposeth as followeth videlicet
	To the 22th article of the sayd Libell hee saith that by reason hee		To the 22th article of the sayd Libell hee saith that by reason hee
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	the old Roague (speaking of Luke Woods should sell noe ffish &#91;XXX GUTTER&#93;		the old Roague (speaking of Luke Woods should sell noe ffish &#91;XXX GUTTER&#93;
	for		for
−		+	|People='''Thomas Grove'''
−	|Primary sources=<u>Baker and Milsom Sources of English Legal History: Private Law to 1750 (Oxford, 2010), p. 547</u>	+
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−	====Thomas Grove====	+
	JUST POSSIBLLY: PROB 11/404/217 Will of Thomas Grove, Mariner of Stepney, Middlesex.10 April 1691		JUST POSSIBLLY: PROB 11/404/217 Will of Thomas Grove, Mariner of Stepney, Middlesex.10 April 1691
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−	====Vincent Delabar====	+	'''Vincent Delabar'''
	C 5/2/28 Short title: Delabarr v Nicasius. Plaintiffs: John Delabarr and Vincent Delabarr. Defendants: John Nicasius. Subject: personal estate of the deceased Frances Penniquin, Herefordshire. Document type: bill, answer. 1649		C 5/2/28 Short title: Delabarr v Nicasius. Plaintiffs: John Delabarr and Vincent Delabarr. Defendants: John Nicasius. Subject: personal estate of the deceased Frances Penniquin, Herefordshire. Document type: bill, answer. 1649
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	SEE: PROB 11/328/4 Will of Mary Delabarre, Widow of London. 15 August 1668		SEE: PROB 11/328/4 Will of Mary Delabarre, Widow of London. 15 August 1668
		+	'''Pepys on Vincent Delabar'''
−	----	+	"Tuesday 2 April 1661: ...Then to the Dolphin to Sir W. Batten, and Pen, and other company; among others Mr. Delabar; where strange how these men, who at other times are all wise men, do now, in their drink, betwitt and reproach one another with their former conditions, and their actions as in public concernments, till I was ashamed to see it. But parted all friends at 12 at night after drinking a great deal of wine."<ref>[http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1661/04/02/ Online Diary of Samuel Pepys: Tues 2 April 1661], viewed 21/08/13</ref>
−	===Miscellaneous===	+
		+	'''Secondary sources on Delabarr family'''
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		+	"Yet another member of the French Church, John Delabarr (c. 1599-1664), son of a Hugenot refugee, launched ventures in a variety of trades and was a principal owner of several ships, in partnership more than once with his younger brother Vincent and his sister's husband John Kipp, also a London Huguenot".<ref>Kenneth R. Andrews, Ships, money, and politics: seafaring and naval enterprise in the reign of Charles I (Cambridge, 1991), p.53, citing Moens, French Church Registers, pp. 14, 47; Prob 11/315, fol. 284, proved 2 December 1664; Shilton and Holworthy, Examinations, nos. 28, etc; Cell, Newfoundland, p. 19; HCA 15/4 (charter-parties for the mathew, teh George and the Tristram and Jane); HCA 24/94, no. 90; HCA 30/635 (an account book of receipts for sums paid by John, Vincent and Robert Delabarr, 1620-35; SP 16/16/186; SP 16/17/59; CSPD 1629-31, p. 38; HCA 13/54, fol. 164 (referring to John Delabarr's house in Crutched Friars)3</ref>
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		+	One of Kenneth R Andrews' references regarding John Delabar is to Cell's Newfoundland. An online search for this reveals a number of mentiones of "John Delabarre" in Peter E. Popes' ''Fish into Wine: The Newfoundland Plantation in the Seventeenth Century'' (UNC, 2004)
		+	- See pp. 83, 88, 89, 90, 106, 110, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 120, 313, 438, 449
		+	- e.g. p.89, FN 11: John Delabarr, Interrogatories, in Kirke et al. v. Delabarre, ca,. 1636, HCA 23/11 (282); On Delabarre's trade see John Delabarre, Libel, in Dellabarre v. Harbourne, 1633, HCA 24/96 (334); Account Book, 1622, 1637, HCA 30/635
		+	|Primary sources=<u>Baker and Milsom Sources of English Legal History: Private Law to 1750 (Oxford, 2010), p. 547</u>
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		+	Journal of the House of Lords, 1666, vol. XII, p. 90<ref>[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=EyRDAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA90 Journal of the House of Lords, 1666, vol. XII, p. 90]</ref>
		+	- Lords appointed to examine a number of merchants "concerning the Goods and Merchandizes of several Merchants trading to France". The merchants examined included George Toriano, Vincent Delabar, Abraham Beake,  and Theodore Jacobson.
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		+	'The Company to Vincent Delabar (at Dover), July 9, 1662 (Letter Book, vol. iii, p.147) in CEEC, 1660-63, p.236 (see also p. 205)
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To the :18th hee referreth himselfe to his foregoeing deposition
where hee hath satisfied the same soe farr as hee can:

To the .19th hee saith that for about three yeeres last hee
hath sailed in the said ship Peace with the said
Thomas Grove, and thereby Knoweth. that hee is an
able skillfull, and Experienced Seaman, and soe Comonly accounted and hath
as hee hath heard used the Sea for a long time, and
further cannot answer, referring himselfe to his foregoeing deposition./.

To the 20th hee saith that the said Grove did set forward
his mariners, and encourage them to doe their dutyes
the said Voyage; and upon carles Neglects of the
same, the said Grove did Corect some
of his said Mariners, giving them moderate Correction
with a Ropes End or the hil?t, And to the rest Negatively
saving that one Richard Blagne or Blake who
was Boatswaine of the said ship the said Voyage
did at Plymouth Receive of Mr Wood five pounds
in money. Besides his twelve monethes pay which hee
receaved here in London) but upon what account
hee soe received the same hee knoweth not :/:

To the .21th and 22th Interrogatorie hee answereth. negatively
for his part:./:

Thomas Yeomans [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]

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The 23th of April 1659./

Wood against Grove

Examined on the Libell./

6us.

Lawrence Broadbolt of Nevis in the West Indies
Merchant borne at Knasburrough in Yorkshire
aged 44 yeares of thereabouts a witness sworne
and examined saith and deposeth as followeth videlicet

To the 22th article of the sayd Libell hee saith that by reason hee
this deponent is an Inhabitant of the Island of Nevis arlate
and was there at the tyme the shipp Peace arlate came thither in the
yeare 1657 and untill after her departure thence which was in the yeare
1658 hee knoweth that the sayd shipp did lye at Nevis in disposing
of her ffish and other Commodities divers moneths in the yeare 1657
and for some tyme (but how long hee remembreth
not) in the yeare 1658 and saith that while the sayd shipp Peace soe
lay at Nevis a Ketch laden with ffish and other provisions and of which
the arlate John hollway was Merchant came alsoe to Nevis
and this deponent hath credibly heard from severall Inhabitants
of Nevis that the arlate Thomas Grove hath in company of the
sayd Hollway at Nevis sayd that hee would take such course that
the old Roague (speaking of Luke Woods should sell noe ffish [XXX GUTTER]
for

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Thomas Grove

JUST POSSIBLLY: PROB 11/404/217 Will of Thomas Grove, Mariner of Stepney, Middlesex.10 April 1691

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Vincent Delabar

C 5/2/28 Short title: Delabarr v Nicasius. Plaintiffs: John Delabarr and Vincent Delabarr. Defendants: John Nicasius. Subject: personal estate of the deceased Frances Penniquin, Herefordshire. Document type: bill, answer. 1649
C 5/2/29 Short title: Delabarr v Spence. Plaintiffs: Vincent [Delabarr]. Defendants: Alice Spence. Subject: money matters. Document type: answer. 1649
C 5/5/53 Short title: Delabarre v Gorge. Plaintiffs: Vincent Delabarre. Defendants: Sir Arthur Gorge kt, [unknown] Spence and others.Subject: property in St Giles without Cripplegate, London.Document type: bill, plea. 1649
C 5/5/60 Short title: Delabarre v Nicasius. Plaintiffs: John [Delabarre] and Vincent [Delabarre]. Defendants: John Nicasius. Subject: money matters. Document type: answer. 1649
C 5/12/10 Short title: Delabarre v [Hide]. Plaintiffs: John Delabarre and Vincent Delabarre. Defendants: [Silvanus Hide]. Subject: money matters, Kent. Document type: bill, answer. mutilated. 1651
C 5/377/92 Short title: Hide v Delabarr. Plaintiffs: Silvanus Hide. Defendants: Vincent Delabarr, and John Delabarr. Subject: money matters, Middlesex. Document type: bill, answer. 1650
C 5/378/52 Short title: Delabar v Lawes. Plaintiffs: Vincent Delabar and another. Defendants: Anthony Lawes. Subject: money matters. Document type: answer. 1654
C 5/408/35 Short title: Delabarr v Wormell. Plaintiffs: John Delabarr and Vincent Delabarr. Defendants: William Wormell. Subject: personal estate of the deceased John Kipp. Document type: bill, answer. 1655

C 6/64/35 Short title: Delabarr v Bayly. Plaintiffs: Vincent Delabarr. Defendants: Susannah Bayly spinster, Mary Goddard widow, Elizabeth Pendleton widow, Mary Pendleton spinster, James Smith and Mary Smith his wife. Subject: not specified, Middlesex. Document type: plea. 1671
C 6/103/36 Short title: Dowse v Symes. Plaintiffs: Giles Dowse . Defendants: Walter Symes and Vincent Delabarre . Subject: money matters, Hampshire. Document type: bill, two answers. 1649
C 6/103/40 Short title: Dowse v Syms. Plaintiffs: Thomas Dowse and Edward Kelsey . Defendants: Walter Syms and Vincent Delabarre . Subject: money matters, Hampshire. Document type: bill, two answers. 1649
C 6/141/67 Short title: Kekwich v Kelsey. Plaintiffs: George Kekwich and Elizabeth Kekwich his wife. Defendants: Edward Kelsey and Vincent Delabar . Subject: money matters, Hampshire. Document type: bill, two answers. 1656
C 6/200/27 Short title: Delabarr v Phillips. Plaintiffs: Vincent Delabarr and Thomas Delavall . Defendants: Isaac Phillips . Subject: money matters, Kent. Document type: bill only. 1660
C 6/284/61 Short title: Barre v Delabarr. Plaintiffs: Adam Barre and Sarah barre his wife. Defendants: Vincent Delabarr, Thomas Viner and Richard Lone. Subject: personal estate of the deceased Sarah Billingsley. Document type: bill, answer. 1671

C 10/8/37 Vincent Delabarre and Barbara his wife v Sir John Ferryes knight, William Sheldon and Nicholas Hunt: Punsborne manor, etc. Bill and demurrer 1649
C 10/30/142 Dame Christian Leigh widow v Vincent Delabarr: Bexley, Kent. Answer 1652
C 10/30/144 Dame Christian Leigh widow v Vincent Della Bare (Delabarr): Bexley, Kent. Bill and demurrer. 1652

SEE: PROB 11/315/365 Will of John Delabarr, Merchant of London. 02 December 1664
SEE: PROB 11/328/4 Will of Mary Delabarre, Widow of London. 15 August 1668

Pepys on Vincent Delabar

"Tuesday 2 April 1661: ...Then to the Dolphin to Sir W. Batten, and Pen, and other company; among others Mr. Delabar; where strange how these men, who at other times are all wise men, do now, in their drink, betwitt and reproach one another with their former conditions, and their actions as in public concernments, till I was ashamed to see it. But parted all friends at 12 at night after drinking a great deal of wine."^[1]

Secondary sources on Delabarr family

"Yet another member of the French Church, John Delabarr (c. 1599-1664), son of a Hugenot refugee, launched ventures in a variety of trades and was a principal owner of several ships, in partnership more than once with his younger brother Vincent and his sister's husband John Kipp, also a London Huguenot".^[2]

One of Kenneth R Andrews' references regarding John Delabar is to Cell's Newfoundland. An online search for this reveals a number of mentiones of "John Delabarre" in Peter E. Popes' Fish into Wine: The Newfoundland Plantation in the Seventeenth Century (UNC, 2004)
- See pp. 83, 88, 89, 90, 106, 110, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 120, 313, 438, 449

- e.g. p.89, FN 11: John Delabarr, Interrogatories, in Kirke et al. v. Delabarre, ca,. 1636, HCA 23/11 (282); On Delabarre's trade see John Delabarre, Libel, in Dellabarre v. Harbourne, 1633, HCA 24/96 (334); Account Book, 1622, 1637, HCA 30/635

Sources

Primary sources

Baker and Milsom Sources of English Legal History: Private Law to 1750 (Oxford, 2010), p. 547

Journal of the House of Lords, 1666, vol. XII, p. 90^[3]
- Lords appointed to examine a number of merchants "concerning the Goods and Merchandizes of several Merchants trading to France". The merchants examined included George Toriano, Vincent Delabar, Abraham Beake, and Theodore Jacobson.

'The Company to Vincent Delabar (at Dover), July 9, 1662 (Letter Book, vol. iii, p.147) in CEEC, 1660-63, p.236 (see also p. 205)

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1. ↑ Online Diary of Samuel Pepys: Tues 2 April 1661, viewed 21/08/13
2. ↑ Kenneth R. Andrews, Ships, money, and politics: seafaring and naval enterprise in the reign of Charles I (Cambridge, 1991), p.53, citing Moens, French Church Registers, pp. 14, 47; Prob 11/315, fol. 284, proved 2 December 1664; Shilton and Holworthy, Examinations, nos. 28, etc; Cell, Newfoundland, p. 19; HCA 15/4 (charter-parties for the mathew, teh George and the Tristram and Jane); HCA 24/94, no. 90; HCA 30/635 (an account book of receipts for sums paid by John, Vincent and Robert Delabarr, 1620-35; SP 16/16/186; SP 16/17/59; CSPD 1629-31, p. 38; HCA 13/54, fol. 164 (referring to John Delabarr's house in Crutched Friars)3
3. ↑ Journal of the House of Lords, 1666, vol. XII, p. 90