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Native of hamborough or some part of the land thereunto adjoyning, as this
rendent hath credibly heard and beleeveth, and saith the said Otto departed this
life in Lubeck being a married man, and there as this deponent hath credibly heard
kept his wife and family for all the time interrate./:-

To the 7th hee saith, hee cannot depose otherwise then hee hath formerly deposed

To the 8th hee saith hee cannot depose otherwise then what hee hath predeposed
saving that hee hath not heard that the shipp interrate hath ever returned to
or discharged at Lubeck since her first departure thence as aforesaid:/:

To the 9th hee saith hee knoweth nothing thereof./

To the 10th hee saith hee cannot depose not being present at the seizure of
the shipps interrate:-/

To the 11th negatively:-/

To the 12th hee saith, that hee this rendent was at Cadiz in the moneths
of May June and July in the yeare 1652. interrate, and was never
at dunquirke, and further referring himselfe to his foregoeing deposition hee
cannot depose./

To the 13. hee saith hee hath not deposed to the article interrate./

Repeated before doctor Clarke./

Jo[?XX] [?XXXX] [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]

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the jth day of december : 1654: [CENTRE HEADING]

Examined upon the said Allegation:-/

4.us/.

John Lowers of Masterland in Norway Mariner aged
26. yeares or thereabouts a Wittnes sworne and examined

To the 11th Article of the said Allegation hee saith and deposeth, That the
shipp the Sampson arlate (whereof Otto George was Master) did with
and in the Companie of the shipps the Salvador and Saint George arlate
about 3. weekes or a moneth before the said shipps and their respective ladeings were
seized by some of the shipps of this Commonwealth (the moneths or yeare hee
cannot otherwise describe) sett saile from Cadiz and came from thence in
Companie togeather with the said two shipps the Salvador and Saint George
And saith That the said shipps at the time of thir said seizure by the
English were in the English Channell within sight of the land neere
Portsmouth, and at the time of such their seozure stood in their direct
Course for Ostend or dunquirke in fflanders The premisses this deponent
knoweth for that hee came in the said shipp Saint George in the Companie
of the said shipps Sampson and Salvador, and having been for 8. or 9. yeares
last past versed and employed in Navigation, hee thereby well knoweth that the
said shipps were at thae time of the said seizure in their direct Course for
Ostend or dunquirke, And to sayle thither this deponent and Companie were
hired and entertained at Cadiz. And further cannot depose/

To the 12th hee saith, That the shipp the Mercurius arlate. (whereof hans
Younger was Master departed from Cadiz in Spaine in this deponents sight about
a moneth before the departure thence of the shipps Sampson Salvador
and Saint George, And saith that after such the departure of the said shipp
Mercurius, shee did not at all meet with the said shipps Sampson
(Salvador

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Primary sources

"A narrative or resumption of the severall proceedings in the Court of Admiralty of England, in order to the ships Sampson, St. George, and St. Salvador. The 25th and 27th of January, 1653, stilo novo. Lond. 1653. Small 4to. Vol. 75, Art 15.

British History On Line references

Volume 26 - December and Undated, 1652. 1652

Calendar of State Papers Domestic: Interregnum, 1652-3

26. The Committee for Foreign Affairs to sit on Monday. The Admiralty Judges and Dr. Walker to attend, and report what has been done in that court about the ships Samson, Salvador, and George. 27. Orders for regulating Council's proceedings to be considered on Monday. 28-30. Serjeant Dendy, Mr. Scutt,

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Volume 37 - June 1653

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Admiralty Court, and deliver in on oath after the usual manner the papers now sealed up, which were taken out of the Samson, Salvadore, and George. 10, 11. Mr. Perrott and Mr. Throckmorton, prisoners with the Serjeant-at-arms for being engaged in a challenge, to be dismissed on bonds in 1,000 l . and two

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Warrants of the Council of State, Generals of the Fleet, &c

Calendar of State Papers Domestic: Interregnum, 1652-3

Bristol, to transport 40 draugh t nags to Barbadoes, for the use of the sugar mills, on the same terms as others. 120 — — " 21 " Pass For Eliz. Meutis to Flanders 127 — — " " " Comrs. for Sale of Dutch Prizes. To seize and secure some gold and silver embezzled from the Samson, Salvador, and George in the

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Volume 77 - December 1654

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the Admiralty Committee to request the Protector and Council for an order to dispose of the Samson, Salvadore, and George, which had the great quantity of silver on board, to the best advantage of the State, the Prize Goods' Commissioners reporting that they are much injured by having lain 2 years in

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the Samson, Salvadore, and George, and to take down in writing all the preparations of evidence and proofs thereupon, and draw a full plea by his advice for the protection for the State's interest, and to give in the names of all the material witnesses they know of, that the points may be proved by

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State Papers, 1653 - November (2 of 5)

A collection of the State Papers of John Thurloe, volume 1

consideration of a paper from the Spanish ambassador presented this day to the council, concerning certain bags of wooll, taken out of the Samson, Salvador, and George, and to examine the matter of fact, and for their better information to send for doctor Walker, and such other persons, papers, and witnesses as

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Volume 32 - January 1653

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send an account to Mr. Thurloe tomorrow of their proceedings against the Samson, Salvador, and George, and the whole state of that business. 3. The petition of Col. Ryley to be considered on Wednesday, and he to be here. 4. Mr. Thurloe to draw up a paper to be offered to Council, to be sent to foreign

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referred to the Committee for Foreign Affairs. 15. Mr. Thurloe to declare to Dr. Walker that he may give such answers as he thinks fit to the paper published by the advocate of Flanders, upon the proceedings in the Admiralty Court upon the Samson, Salvadore, and George, and publish the same if he see

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Volume 33 - February 1653

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February 1653 Feb. 1. 4. Order in the Council for Trade and Foreign Affairs, that the account brought in by the Admiralty Judges of their proceedings in the Admiralty Court, on the Samson, Salvador, and George, be presented to Council. [ I . 132, p . 61.] Feb. 1. 1, 2. Petition of Thomas Jennings

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Volume 76 - September 1654

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into one treasury. [ Excise Coll. pp . 149–154, Vol . 98, June 1655.] [Sept. 2.] 12. Dr. Walter Walker to Sec. Thurloe. It appears by yours that the Hamburg agent urges a judgment on the Samson, Salvador, and George. I waited on you yesterday at Whitehall about it, but could not see you. The matter of

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State Papers, 1654 - March (5 of 5)

A collection of the State Papers of John Thurloe, volume 2

ships the Samson, Salvadore, and St. George, in the port of Cadiz, being his own port, several bags of wools, to be transported to another port of his own in Flanders, for his own account, there to be delivered to his assistants, for his own account, towards the payment of his armies. That these ships

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Volume 36 - May 1653

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of Otho George and others interested in the three silver ships, Salvador, Samson, and George. That they made the purser alter his book, taking out the names of all Hollanders and Zealanders, and inserting others. That they threw letters overboard tied to an iron bar, on coming into the Downs. That

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the next post after I have received the value. I am surprised your friends do not put another address on your letters. [1 page, French .] Oct. 20. 63. Shorthand notes of proceedings in the Committee upon the case of the [silver] ships Samson, Salvador, and George. [3¼ pages, undecyphered .] Oct. 21.

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Events in Primary Literature

"Nov. 22 [1652].
Senato, Secreta. Dispacci, Francia. Venetian Archives.

692. Lorenzo Paulucci, Venetian Secretary in England, to Giovanni Sagredo, the Ambassador in France. (fn. 6)

Among the eight ships was one from Hamburg or Lubeck, carrying the dollars I mentioned. (fn. 7) At the instance of a number of merchants here interested in them, the Spanish ambassador has demanded their release of the Council of State, though so far apparently with scant success. The rulers here seem inclined to avail themselves of it in their present need, paying interest to the king of Spain until the capital is restored, considering the money to be his ; a crafty device, by no means to the taste of the merchants. The Spanish ambassador also disapproves emphatically and on this account and some other matters which concern his private affairs he is not too well satisfied. If they persist in this course the detention of the money might cause an open rupture with Spain, as happened in the reigns of Queen Elizabeth and King Philip II, for a similar provocation.

The negotiations of the Portuguese ambassador seem to be thwarted by the demands of this government for a very considerable sum of money, claimed for losses inflicted on the ships of parliament by Prince Rupert who obtained shelter and reinforcements in Portuguese harbours. It was proposed to resume the negotiations begun about this by a former ambassador, but the Council of State insists on starting afresh, as an indication of Portugal's desire for a good understanding with this country.

fn 7 = The Samson of Lubeck and the San Salvador of Hamburg."^[1]

"Monday, the 20th of December, 1652.

Correspondence with Spaine.

The House this Day resumed the Debate upon the Papers delivered in by the Lord Ambassador from the King of Spaine, upon his last Audience, touching his Appeal from the Admiralty-Court to the Parliament, concerning the Goods aboard the Ships the Sampson, the Salvado, and the St. George:

An Order of the Council of State, of the 6th of December 1652; whereby the Council leave it to the Judges of the Admiralty to proceed with the abovesaid Ships, according to Law and Justice.

And Three Acts of the Court of Admiralty, of the First of December 1652, were this Day read.

An Act of the Court of Admiralty, of the 8th of December 1652, was this Day read.

The Affidavit of Otto George, of the 12th of November 1652, was this Day read.

Otto George his Specification was this Day read.

The Question being propounded, That it be referred to the Court of Admiralty to proceed in the Determination of this Business, according to Law and Justice;

And the Question being put, That that Question be now put;

It passed in the Affirmative.

And the main Question being put; It was

Resolved, by the Parliament, That it be referred to the Court of Admiralty to proceed in the Determination of this Business, according to Law and Justice.

Ordered, That these Papers, presented to the Parliament by the Spanish Ambassador, be referred to the Council of State, to prepare an Answer to be given to the Spanish Ambassador; and to report it to the Parliament."^[2]

Events in Secondary Literature

A Hessayon in Braddick & Smith Eds (2011), p.216: Right click on image for full size image in separate window

Miscellaneous

1. ↑ 'Venice: November 1652', Calendar of State Papers Relating to English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 28: 1647-1652 (1927), pp. 302-313, viewed 12/09/14
2. ↑ 'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 20 December 1652', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 7: 1651-1660 (1802), pp. 231., viewed 12/09/14