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Clements Interrate And therefore cannot further answere to this
Interrogatorie./

To the last videlicet the 11th Interrogatorie hee saith hee well knoweth both the father
and mother of the Interrogated Thomas and William Warren, and saith that
Thomas Warren is a married man and keepes his wife [XXXXX] and family in
London, where the sayd William Warren his brother a batchelor liveth with
him and further saving his foregeoing deposition hee cannot answere/

To the Interrogatories given by Mr Smith on behalfe
of Clements./ [CENTRE HEADING]

To the first Interrogatorie hee saith hee cometh to testifie the truth being soe
required bt the producent Thomas Warren and saith hee hath noe
share or interest in the 150 pipes of wyne claymed in this cause by the sayd
Thomas Warren And of the Interrogatorie hee answereth
negatively./.

To the 2 hee saith hee was Master of the Mary and Joyce the tyme
Interrogated and was carried to the Groyne a prizoner and there continued
about eight dayes, and then came thence for Rotchell in ffrance and
saith hee saw the Mary and Joyce every day wile hee soe stayed at
the Groyne but was not permitted to goe aboard her/

To the 3 hee saith the Mary and Joyce was first brought after her seizure
tio the Groyne and saith shee was seized on the thirteenth day of March
last 1657 and saith the Spaniards had her in possession about eight
dayes after seizure before they brought her to the Groyne And further
hee cannot answere./

To the 4th and 5th hee cannot answere for that hee was gone from the
Groyne before any wines were put from aboard the
Mary and Joyce into the Elizabeth And therefor cannot answere/

To the 6th hee cannot answere knowing nothing nor having heard
any thing to the effect Interrogate/

To the 10th hee saith hee knoweth not the Interrogated da Valett nor [?XXX]
[XXX] cannot further answere/

To the last videlicet the 11th Interrogatorie hee saith this rendent and
the Interrogated Thomas Warren are brother and sisters Children videlicet the
sayd Warrens father and this respondents Mother were and are brother and
sister And saith hee favoureth all the parties litigant in this cause
alike and desyreth right may prevaile therein./

Repeated before doctor Godolphin

Phillip stafford [SIGNATURE, RH SIDE]

Topics

People

Thomas Warren

William Warren

Sources

Primary sources

TNA

Chancery

C 5/389/155 Short title: Sherwill v Warren. Plaintiffs: Thomas Sherwill and William Sherwill. Defendants: William Warren. Subject: property in Plymouth, Devon. Document type: bill, answer. 1649

PROB

PROB 11/336/473 Will of Thomas Warren of Saint Hallows Hackney, Middlesex. 20 July 1671

PROB 11/450/427 Will of William Warren, Merchant of London. 27 May 1699

Secondary sources

Letters of John Page

"27. to Gowen Paynter and William Clerke
15 Nov. 1650
a. I have received yours, 14 Oct., per Mr Steward, perceiving thereby that Mr Shadforth [the Elizabeth] and Mr Webber [the Blessing] were both arrived with you, for which I am hearty glad, giving the Lord praise for it. I do now expect them daily, God send them well to arrive. The times are very dangerous. Prince Rupert is come out of Lisbon with 24 sail and hath taken 2 or 3 ships from Malaga. He lies off the southern cape. God grant he send none about your Islands. Insurance is very high upon the news, but I had done most of mine before the tidings came. I have insured for your accounts on the Matthew from the Canaries to London £2,500 at 4 per cent, and on the Blessing I have insured £1,500 for your accounts in equal halves at 4 per cent. Likewise I have insured on the Elizabeth £2,150 in the proportion as I freighted her. When Mr Warren was upon the Barbary Coast and taken by the French, (fn. 9) he writ me of his mischance and the danger that Peter Steward [the Island Merchant] escaped, upon which I was very doubtful of Mr Shadforth. So that I presently caused £800 to be insured on him for our accounts from hence to Barbary and so to the Canaries, for which I gave 6 per cent and glad it was done so, which, as it falls out, is so much money cast away, but I hope our voyage will bear it. I am very glad that my project hath list [i.e. pleased] so well, hoping that our corn will sell very well.

FN. 9 = In 1651 Thomas Warren testified in the Admiralty Court that the William and Henry, on which he had served as factor, had earlier been taken by a French man-of-war off Mogador (H.C.A. 13/64, 28 April 1651)."^[1]

"1651

30. to Gowen Paynter and William Clerke
15 Feb. 1651
30b...Mr Warren hath bought a ship of 200 ts and intends for the Barbary Coast about June or July. This ship was entered for San Sebastian in a politic way, so that I knew not of her going till yesterday. By the next I shall be more larger, which I conceive will be a month hence by our State's fleet which are bound for Barbados, being in all 10 sail of gallant ships which intend to stop at Santa Cruz [de Tenerife] to refresh and take in some wine for beverage."^[2]

"52. to William Clerke
15 Feb. 1652
52b....Mr Warren and Mr Lee, owners of the Susan, do think they are wronged because you do not send home the account you writ of. In the meantime I have stopped £20 [of the freight payment]. Pray hasten it over per first. They likewise demand a pipe of wine which was due per charterparty, of which I am ignorant of, so desire your order about it. We have lost half our principal per said vessel. I have sold my part to Mr Warren."^[3]

"67. to William Clerke
1 Feb. 1653
a. I have written you at large per this conveyance, to which crave reference. Have since received yours, 16 Dec., per Mr Thomas Warren, which cannot answer at present so fully as could wish, being straitened with time."^[4]

"80. to William Clerke
22 Jan. 1654
I have written you per several ships this vintage at large, to which crave reference. But as yet have not had the happiness to receive a line from you, at which I do not much admire in regard I hear you were at Gran Canaria. Here are several passengers come from Dartmouth by land from the Peter, Capt. Pedro Ribete, who is safe arrived there about 25 days since and as yet not come into the river but hourly expected. I am told Pedro Ribete hath letters for me but told the passengers would deliver them by his own hand. I have a great desire to have a few lines from you. I hope you are not angry with me, though I confess I have not been so good as my word with you about your account.

This small vessel [the Agreement, Capt. John Mourton] I bought between me and Mr Thomas Warren in halves; and having a few pilchards in the West, by great chance, I have ordered them to be sent in this vessel, seeming could get no other in all the West Country for to carry the fish away, being about 120 hhds, which were all that I could get for love or money."^[5]

Books

Todd Gray, Early Stuart Mariners and Shipping: Maritime Surveys for Devon, 1619-35 (Devon & Cornwall Record Society, 1990)

Journal articles

'The Canary Company', English Historical Review (1916) XXXI (CXXIV): 529-544. doi: 10.1093/ehr/XXXI.CXXIV.529

[1] G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1650', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 8-31, viewed 28/11/13

[2] G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1651', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 31-57, viewed 28/11/13

[3] G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1652', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 57-82, viewed 28/11/13

[4] G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1653', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 82-99, viewed 28/11/13

[5] G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1654', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 99-119, viewed 28/11/13

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+To the last videlicet the 11th Interrogatorie hee saith hee well knoweth both the father
+and mother of the Interrogated Thomas and William Warren, and saith that
+Thomas Warren is a married man and keepes his wife &#91;XXXXX&#93; and family in
+London, where the sayd William Warren his brother a batchelor liveth with
+him and further saving his foregeoing deposition hee cannot answere/
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+required bt the producent Thomas Warren and saith hee hath noe
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+share or interest in the 150 pipes of wyne claymed in this cause by the sayd
+Thomas Warren And of the Interrogatorie hee answereth
+negatively./.
+To the 2 hee saith hee was Master of the ''Mary and Joyce'' the tyme
+Interrogated and was carried to the Groyne a prizoner and there continued
+about eight dayes, and then came thence for Rotchell in ffrance and
+saith hee saw the ''Mary and Joyce'' every day wile hee soe stayed at
+the Groyne but was not permitted to goe aboard her/
+To the 3 hee saith the ''Mary and Joyce'' was first brought after her seizure
+tio the Groyne and saith shee was seized on the thirteenth day of March
+last 1657 and saith the Spaniards had her in possession about eight
+dayes after seizure before they brought her to the Groyne And further
+hee cannot answere./
+To the 4th and 5th hee cannot answere for that hee was gone from the
+Groyne before any wines were put from aboard the
+''Mary and Joyce'' into the ''Elizabeth'' And therefor cannot answere/
+To the 6th hee cannot answere knowing nothing nor having heard
+any thing to the effect Interrogate/
+To the 10th hee saith hee knoweth not the Interrogated da Valett nor &#91;?XXX&#93;
+&#91;XXX&#93; cannot further answere/
+To the last videlicet the 11th Interrogatorie hee saith this rendent and
+the Interrogated Thomas Warren are brother and sisters Children videlicet the
+sayd Warrens father and this respondents Mother were and are brother and
+sister And saith hee favoureth all the parties litigant in this cause
+alike and desyreth right may prevaile therein./
+Repeated before doctor Godolphin
+Phillip stafford &#91;SIGNATURE, RH SIDE&#93;
+|People=<u>Thomas Warren</u>
+<u>William Warren</u>
+|Primary sources='''TNA'''
+<u>Chancery</u>
+C 5/389/155 Short title: Sherwill v Warren. Plaintiffs: Thomas Sherwill and William Sherwill. Defendants: William Warren. Subject: property in Plymouth, Devon. Document type: bill, answer. 1649
+<u>PROB</u>
+PROB 11/336/473 Will of Thomas Warren of Saint Hallows Hackney, Middlesex. 20 July 1671
+PROB 11/450/427 Will of William Warren, Merchant of London. 27 May 1699
+|Secondary sources=<u>Letters of John Page</u>
+"27. to Gowen Paynter and William Clerke
+'''15 Nov. 1650'''
+a. I have received yours, 14 Oct., per Mr Steward, perceiving thereby that Mr Shadforth [the Elizabeth] and Mr Webber [the Blessing] were both arrived with you, for which I am hearty glad, giving the Lord praise for it. I do now expect them daily, God send them well to arrive. The times are very dangerous. Prince Rupert is come out of Lisbon with 24 sail and hath taken 2 or 3 ships from Malaga. He lies off the southern cape. God grant he send none about your Islands. Insurance is very high upon the news, but I had done most of mine before the tidings came. I have insured for your accounts on the Matthew from the Canaries to London £2,500 at 4 per cent, and on the Blessing I have insured £1,500 for your accounts in equal halves at 4 per cent. Likewise I have insured on the Elizabeth £2,150 in the proportion as I freighted her. When '''Mr Warren''' was upon the Barbary Coast and taken by the French, (fn. 9) he writ me of his mischance and the danger that Peter Steward [the Island Merchant] escaped, upon which I was very doubtful of Mr Shadforth. So that I presently caused £800 to be insured on him for our accounts from hence to Barbary and so to the Canaries, for which I gave 6 per cent and glad it was done so, which, as it falls out, is so much money cast away, but I hope our voyage will bear it. I am very glad that my project hath list [i.e. pleased] so well, hoping that our corn will sell very well.
+FN. 9 = In 1651 Thomas Warren testified in the Admiralty Court that the William and Henry, on which he had served as factor, had earlier been taken by a French man-of-war off Mogador (H.C.A. 13/64, 28 April 1651)."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63984 G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1650', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 8-31], viewed 28/11/13</ref>
+"1651
+. to Gowen Paynter and William Clerke
+'''15 Feb. 1651'''
+b...'''Mr Warren''' hath bought a ship of 200 ts and intends for the Barbary Coast about June or July. This ship was entered for San Sebastian in a politic way, so that I knew not of her going till yesterday. By the next I shall be more larger, which I conceive will be a month hence by our State's fleet which are bound for Barbados, being in all 10 sail of gallant ships which intend to stop at Santa Cruz [de Tenerife] to refresh and take in some wine for beverage."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63985 G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1651', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 31-57], viewed 28/11/13</ref>
+"52. to William Clerke
+'''15 Feb. 1652'''
+b....'''Mr Warren''' and Mr Lee, owners of the ''Susan'', do think they are wronged because you do not send home the account you writ of. In the meantime I have stopped £20 [of the freight payment]. Pray hasten it over per first. They likewise demand a pipe of wine which was due per charterparty, of which I am ignorant of, so desire your order about it. We have lost half our principal per said vessel. I have sold my part to '''Mr Warren'''."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63986 G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1652', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 57-82], viewed 28/11/13</ref>
+"67. to William Clerke
+'''1 Feb. 1653'''
+a. I have written you at large per this conveyance, to which crave reference. Have since received yours, 16 Dec., per '''Mr Thomas Warren''', which cannot answer at present so fully as could wish, being straitened with time."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63987 G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1653', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 82-99], viewed 28/11/13</ref>
+"80. to William Clerke
+'''22 Jan. 1654'''
+I have written you per several ships this vintage at large, to which crave reference. But as yet have not had the happiness to receive a line from you, at which I do not much admire in regard I hear you were at Gran Canaria. Here are several passengers come from Dartmouth by land from the Peter, Capt. Pedro Ribete, who is safe arrived there about 25 days since and as yet not come into the river but hourly expected. I am told Pedro Ribete hath letters for me but told the passengers would deliver them by his own hand. I have a great desire to have a few lines from you. I hope you are not angry with me, though I confess I have not been so good as my word with you about your account.
+This small vessel [the Agreement, Capt. John Mourton] I bought between me and '''Mr Thomas Warren''' in halves; and having a few pilchards in the West, by great chance, I have ordered them to be sent in this vessel, seeming could get no other in all the West Country for to carry the fish away, being about 120 hhds, which were all that I could get for love or money."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63988 G.F. Steckley, 'Letters: 1654', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 99-119], viewed 28/11/13</ref>
+<u></u>
+<u>Books</u>
+Todd Gray, ''Early Stuart Mariners and Shipping: Maritime Surveys for Devon, 1619-35'' (Devon & Cornwall Record Society, 1990)
+<u>Journal articles</u>
+'The Canary Company', ''English Historical Review'' (1916) XXXI (CXXIV): 529-544. doi: 10.1093/ehr/XXXI.CXXIV.529
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