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To the first second and 3. articles of the said Allegation hee saith and deposeth, That he this | To the first second and 3. articles of the said Allegation hee saith and deposeth, That he this | ||
deponent hath well knowne the allegate Peter Tam a Shipmaster and Burgher of Hamborough | deponent hath well knowne the allegate Peter Tam a Shipmaster and Burgher of Hamborough | ||
| − | for | + | for about 20. yeares last past, during which time |
|People=<u>Peter Tam</u> | |People=<u>Peter Tam</u> | ||
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Bestand: 211-2 Reichskammergericht"<ref>[https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/PAG7A4M6ROPCRQISSQGKQRGH7NYWACF7 Staatsarchiv Hamburg, 211-2_V 12]</ref> | Bestand: 211-2 Reichskammergericht"<ref>[https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/PAG7A4M6ROPCRQISSQGKQRGH7NYWACF7 Staatsarchiv Hamburg, 211-2_V 12]</ref> | ||
| − | "De ''prophet Samuel'' verwezenlijkte van augustus 1654 tot juli 1655 een bom van 61,8 %. Het Hamburgs schip ''den Salvador'' leverde 29 tot 46 % winst op per jaar, maar het is een uitzondering voor de Hamburgse schepen der firma. Nicholas de Groote had reden tot klagen. Zowei het schip van Hermans als dat van Peter Tam gaven meer kosten dan uitkeringen "Het is best dat man van sulke schippers siet te kommen, want sy varen..."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.156</ref> See also pp.373 & 358 for entries on Pete Tam | + | "De ''prophet Samuel'' verwezenlijkte van augustus 1654 tot juli 1655 een bom van 61,8 %. Het Hamburgs schip ''den Salvador'' leverde 29 tot 46 % winst op per jaar, maar het is een uitzondering voor de Hamburgse schepen der firma. Nicholas de Groote had reden tot klagen. Zowei het schip van Hermans als dat van Peter Tam gaven meer kosten dan uitkeringen "Het is best dat man van sulke schippers siet te kommen, want sy varen..."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.156</ref> See also pp.373 & 358 for entries on Pete Tam [EDITORIAL NOTE: Baetens appears to have primary source material in the Felxi Archief relating to a number of Hamburg ships on the Mediterranean rout (Cadiz, Genua, elsewhere) in the 1640s and 1650s, and has been able to calculate ship returns on capital] |
"De ''Gulden Sonne'' van Peter Tam was 200 last groot en telde 28 stukken geschut zoals het schip ''Salvador''...."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.157</ref> | "De ''Gulden Sonne'' van Peter Tam was 200 last groot en telde 28 stukken geschut zoals het schip ''Salvador''...."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.157</ref> | ||
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| + | "De ''gulden Sonne'', schipper Peter Tam, ondeneemt zelfs van uit Cadix in september 1647 een reis naar Buenos..."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.71</ref> | ||
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| + | "Raadpleeg bijlage IV: in 1642 zeilt de ''Sint-Jan Baptista'', schipper Heyndrik Beck, van Hamburg naar Marseille en vervolgens nach Genua. In 1646 volgt de ''Verguide Maen'' van Jacob Faes derzelfde route. Michiel en Thomas Uttenholt varen ook op Genua. Uit verzekerinspolissen (IB 1598) blijkt dat de ''Gulden Sonne'' van Peter Tam in 1655 de verbinding verzekert tussen Genua en Cadiz, evenals zijn brower (?) Jaspar Tam op de ''Sterre'' en in 1660 Jorge Tam op de ''Hope''. Die is in tgenspraak wat F.BRAUDEL beweert, e.c...."<ref>Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), footonote ?22,p.72</ref> | ||
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| + | "Peter Tam"<ref>[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=BjxVAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA292 Nicholavm Bellvm, Kaeyserlicher Triumpff-Wagen und Victoria (XXXX, 1632), p.292]</ref> [EDITORIAL NOTE: Refers to use of Hamburg ships in war with Denmark] | ||
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| + | "the said Person to whome the said Peter Tam had delivered the said silver laded the same uppon severall boates for Holland this deponent seeinge the same soe ladeb into the said boates which carried the same alonge the river towards Bridges, and from thence as he was informed it passed through land to Slute in fflanders, and was thence carried over to flushinge and soe to Amsterdam, And this deponent haveinge speech with some of the Companie of the said shipp (haveinge the Golden Sunn uppon her Sterne) att such tyme as they were readie to saile from Ostend, asked them whiat (seeinge they were bound for holland with their said shipp, and that the said silber as he understood was to goe thither) they landed and keft that att Ostend, and did not carrie it along with them, to which they annsweared that the Coast was not cleare enough for such an Adventure, and the danger considered it was held safest to Land and leabe the same there to be sent through the Land in boates unto the same effect.." | ||
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| + | Gaspar Tam of Hamborough Purser of the shipp the Goulden Sunn of Hamburgh aged 24 yeares<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.458r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.458r]]</ref> | ||
| + | - deposed on December 5th 1653 regarding "The Clayme of Peter Tam for his sylver in the Salvadore | ||
| + | - Gaspar Tam stated: "the allegate Peter Tam of Hamborough hath for the time arlate and for about 9 yeares before [driven] a Constant trade to Saint [Lucar] and Cadiz in Spaine for plate and sylver to be for his Accompt transported there to Dunquirke Ostend and Hamborough, and for the time predeposed the said Peter Tam the producent had and hath his Agents and [Corrrespondents] resident at Saint [Lucar] and Cadiz aforesaid"<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.458r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.458r]]</ref> | ||
| + | - Gaspar Tam states that he is a cousin of Peter Tam, and had "sailed with him for about ten years past"<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.458r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.458r]]</ref> | ||
| + | - Gaspar Tam stated that Peter Tam's silver was bought with "a certaine cargazon of goods belonging to the said producent [?of] paper, bedsteads, and silke stuffes and other commodities brought from [?Genua] by the producent in his said shipp the ''Goulden Sunn'' to Cadiz, and there expressely left in this deponents hands to be sold and disposed off to the [?very] best advantage, and the returne thereof to be by this deponent remitted from thence to this said producent or his assigne which this deponent accordingly did and laded the said sylver or moneys as aforesaid for the accompt and [?XX] sole adventure of the said producent"<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.458v Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.458v]]</ref> | ||
| + | - Gaspar Tam stated that "Peter Tam hath lived in the [?Skeers] brooke in Hamborough with his family for ten yeares last and upwards" and for the same time Gaspar Tam's "settled abode", being a batchelor "hath bin in his ffathers house in the same street or place in Hamborough"<ref>[[HCA 13/68 f.458v Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.458v]]; [[HCA 13/68 f.459r Annotate|HCA 13/68 f.459r]]</ref> | ||
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The 29th day of November .1653:- [CENTRE HEADING]
Clayme of Peter Tam for his silver}
the Salvador}
Examined upon the said Allegation:-
[?XXX] silver-
2us:/
Michael van Lubkin of Hamborough Mariner aged [BLANK IN MANUSCRIPT] yeares
or thereabouts sworne and examined saith as followeth videlicet
To the first second and 3. articles of the said Allegation hee saith and deposeth, That he this
deponent hath well knowne the allegate Peter Tam a Shipmaster and Burgher of Hamborough
for about 20. yeares last past, during which time
Topics
People
Peter Tam
"Vollständiger Titel: Kläger: August Wygand, Notar in Hamburg, als Kurator der Metke Vogt (Vagets), Witwe des Henrich Vogt, Kaufmann und Bürger zu Hamburg (Kläger).- Beklagter: Caspar Tam(e) und die Erben des Heinrich Brockmann, Kaufleute in Hamburg (Nebenbeklagter).- Streitgegenstand: Appellationis; Schadensersatz- und Frachtgeldforderung in einem Streit zwischen Henrich Vogt und Peter Tamme, die 1664 in Kommission für die Beklagten auf den karibischen Inseln Martinique und St. Christopher (St. Kitts) Wein gegen Zucker und Tabak verkauft hatten, dann aber die eingehandelten Güter nicht mit ihrem Schiff "St. Anna" transportierten, sondern auf französische Schiffe verladen ließen und durch ein Schiffsunglück einen Teil der Waren verloren; Einrede des Klägers, dass höhere Gewalt vorliege, da der König von Frankreich durch Edikt den Transport von Waren der Inseln nur auf französischen Schiffen gestattete
Archivaliensignatur: Staatsarchiv Hamburg, 211-2_V 12
Alt-/Vorsignatur: V 1004
Kontext: Reichskammergericht >> V
Laufzeit: 1664,1686
Enthältvermerke: Enthält: Prokuratoren: Kläger: Dr. Gotthard Marquard. Beklagter: Dr. Franz Philip Högele.- Instanzen: 1. (Obergericht 1669-1685). 2. Reichskammergericht (1686).- Darin: Vertrag von 1664 zwischen den beteiligten Kaufleuten über das strittige Kommissionsgeschäft.
Sonstige Erschließungsangaben: Verwandte Bestände / Verzeichnungseinheiten: 741-4_S11401 (Bestelleinheit) [Mikroverfilmung von]
Bestand: 211-2 Reichskammergericht"[1]
"De prophet Samuel verwezenlijkte van augustus 1654 tot juli 1655 een bom van 61,8 %. Het Hamburgs schip den Salvador leverde 29 tot 46 % winst op per jaar, maar het is een uitzondering voor de Hamburgse schepen der firma. Nicholas de Groote had reden tot klagen. Zowei het schip van Hermans als dat van Peter Tam gaven meer kosten dan uitkeringen "Het is best dat man van sulke schippers siet te kommen, want sy varen..."[2] See also pp.373 & 358 for entries on Pete Tam [EDITORIAL NOTE: Baetens appears to have primary source material in the Felxi Archief relating to a number of Hamburg ships on the Mediterranean rout (Cadiz, Genua, elsewhere) in the 1640s and 1650s, and has been able to calculate ship returns on capital]
"De Gulden Sonne van Peter Tam was 200 last groot en telde 28 stukken geschut zoals het schip Salvador...."[3]
"De gulden Sonne, schipper Peter Tam, ondeneemt zelfs van uit Cadix in september 1647 een reis naar Buenos..."[4]
"Raadpleeg bijlage IV: in 1642 zeilt de Sint-Jan Baptista, schipper Heyndrik Beck, van Hamburg naar Marseille en vervolgens nach Genua. In 1646 volgt de Verguide Maen van Jacob Faes derzelfde route. Michiel en Thomas Uttenholt varen ook op Genua. Uit verzekerinspolissen (IB 1598) blijkt dat de Gulden Sonne van Peter Tam in 1655 de verbinding verzekert tussen Genua en Cadiz, evenals zijn brower (?) Jaspar Tam op de Sterre en in 1660 Jorge Tam op de Hope. Die is in tgenspraak wat F.BRAUDEL beweert, e.c...."[5]
"Peter Tam"[6] [EDITORIAL NOTE: Refers to use of Hamburg ships in war with Denmark]
"the said Person to whome the said Peter Tam had delivered the said silver laded the same uppon severall boates for Holland this deponent seeinge the same soe ladeb into the said boates which carried the same alonge the river towards Bridges, and from thence as he was informed it passed through land to Slute in fflanders, and was thence carried over to flushinge and soe to Amsterdam, And this deponent haveinge speech with some of the Companie of the said shipp (haveinge the Golden Sunn uppon her Sterne) att such tyme as they were readie to saile from Ostend, asked them whiat (seeinge they were bound for holland with their said shipp, and that the said silber as he understood was to goe thither) they landed and keft that att Ostend, and did not carrie it along with them, to which they annsweared that the Coast was not cleare enough for such an Adventure, and the danger considered it was held safest to Land and leabe the same there to be sent through the Land in boates unto the same effect.."
Gaspar Tam of Hamborough Purser of the shipp the Goulden Sunn of Hamburgh aged 24 yeares[7]
- deposed on December 5th 1653 regarding "The Clayme of Peter Tam for his sylver in the Salvadore
- Gaspar Tam stated: "the allegate Peter Tam of Hamborough hath for the time arlate and for about 9 yeares before [driven] a Constant trade to Saint [Lucar] and Cadiz in Spaine for plate and sylver to be for his Accompt transported there to Dunquirke Ostend and Hamborough, and for the time predeposed the said Peter Tam the producent had and hath his Agents and [Corrrespondents] resident at Saint [Lucar] and Cadiz aforesaid"[8]
- Gaspar Tam states that he is a cousin of Peter Tam, and had "sailed with him for about ten years past"[9]
- Gaspar Tam stated that Peter Tam's silver was bought with "a certaine cargazon of goods belonging to the said producent [?of] paper, bedsteads, and silke stuffes and other commodities brought from [?Genua] by the producent in his said shipp the Goulden Sunn to Cadiz, and there expressely left in this deponents hands to be sold and disposed off to the [?very] best advantage, and the returne thereof to be by this deponent remitted from thence to this said producent or his assigne which this deponent accordingly did and laded the said sylver or moneys as aforesaid for the accompt and [?XX] sole adventure of the said producent"[10]
- ↑ Staatsarchiv Hamburg, 211-2_V 12
- ↑ Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.156
- ↑ Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.157
- ↑ Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), p.71
- ↑ Roland Baetens, De nazomer van Antwerpens welvaart. De diaspora en het handelhuis De Groote tijdens de eerste helft der 17de eeuw, vol.?1 [TBC] (XXXX, 1976), footonote ?22,p.72
- ↑ Nicholavm Bellvm, Kaeyserlicher Triumpff-Wagen und Victoria (XXXX, 1632), p.292
- ↑ HCA 13/68 f.458r
- ↑ HCA 13/68 f.458r
- ↑ HCA 13/68 f.458r
- ↑ HCA 13/68 f.458v
- ↑ HCA 13/68 f.458v; HCA 13/68 f.459r
