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Challenge 1/Talk

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(Will) Is this ok for setting out the palaeography challenges at the moment and do you think we should create separate pages for the first few with transcriptions Colin has done, so that people can opt to look at them if they want?

(Colin) I suggest you also put up my or someone else's model transcriptions below the image

You can find most of them on the MarineLives Facebook page:

Challenge 1: TNA, HCA 13/68: December 17th 1653: Examination

"To the first and the rest of y:e Articles of the sayd allegaccon This depon:t saith he hath seene and perused a lre from his Catholique Ma:ty the King of Spaine bearing date the .21:th. day of May last past signed by his Ma:ties owne hand
and directed to his Ambassado:r here Resident in England wherein after recitalls made that y:e sayd Don Domingo Centurion (who is of the Counsell of his sayd Mat:ty) had laden aboard the sayd shipp the Morning Star or Stella Dorada att Cadiz to be transported to Dunkirke and there delivered for Accompt of his Ma:tyes factories 87 baggs of wooll of Andalucia and 17 baggs of Segovia woolls marked as in the margent (+ C M) and for the supply of his Ma:tyes owne affaires and army in fflanders according to a contract made by the sayd Domingo Centurion in that behalfe; His Ma:ty did and doth require the sayd Lord Amb:er to seeke for restituccon of y:e sayd woolls in the behalfe of the sayd Domingo Centurion of and from this Commonwealth and Parliam:t and Courts of Justice thereof into whose power the sayd woolls heere came by vertue of a seizure made of the sayd shipp by some of the frigats of this Commonwealth. And this deponent..." (I have expanded some, but not all contractions, and normalised capitalisation of personal and ship names). No doubt this transcription could be improved, especially the punctuation."

Challenge 2: TNA, HCA 15/6: Bill of lading, December 20th 1655

"Shiped by the yeare of God in good order and well conditioned by Mee Robert Hubbert of Boston In Newengland In and upon the good Ship called the Johns Adventer (sic) of Newengland whereof is Master under God for this present voyage M:r Jo
hn Cutting and now riding at ankor in the River of Boston and by Gods grace bound for London In ould Engl to say tow hogheads & tow barels of Sugers one barell of beaver and one fearkin of Suckets being marked & numbred as in the margent (hhn.1. .2. RI X n.3.4. RI n 5 x 4Sx xx), & are to be delivered in the like good order and well conditioned at the aforesaid Port of London (the danger of the Seas only excepted) unto Rob:t Hubbert or to his assynes he or they paying fraight for the said goods After y:e Rate of three pounds p tone with primage & avarage accustomed. In witness whereof the Master or Purser of the said ship hath affirmed to three Bils of Lading all of this tenor and date, the one of which three Bills being accomplished, the other two to stand void. And so God send the good ship to her desired Port in safety Amen Dated in Boston In Newengland This .20: December. 1655 ?rp John Cutting" (Large "X" used where letter is unclear; original contractions retained; original punctuation retained; this transcription can certainly be improved)

Challenge # 4: TNA, HCA 13/125: Extract, from personal answers of Thomas May made to an allegation against him, 10th July 1652

"‎...said lighter did ride in such a place over the said Barke where shipps did and might usually passe unlesse they were of very great burthen and the water lowe and they in regard of the said Sunck vessell or racke they could not passe wit
hout very great danger as he beleiveth and he beleiveth that at the tyme when the said shippe y:e Mary runne against the said lighter there was not any person on board, but those employed by this respondent were gone on shoare to a house very neere the place where the said lighter did lye where they had their dyet and, a good sistance before the said shippe came neere to the said lighter some of the said persons employed upon y:e same did see the said shippe and call to the company thereof as he beleiveth wishinge..."

Challenge # 5 Part 1: TNA, HCA 13/73:Two consecutive extracts, from examination of Grace Hogsflesh of Stepney, widowe, aged 39 yeeres or thereabouts, 12th Aprill 1659

"...The 12:th of Aprill 1659:/: Examined on y:e sd Allon./. Rp. 2.Xnd Grace Hogsflesh of Stepney widowe, aged 39 yeeres or thereabouts sworne and examined./. To the first hee saith shee well knowe the arlate Thomas Midleton in his life time, and saith hee hath told this Depo:t that hee was for all y:e time arlate M:r and Comand:r of the arlate ship the Elizabeth and Mary. and further shee saith shee cannot depose:/: To the second and third arles of the said Allon shee saith that about two yeeres since (the time otherwise shee doth not now remember) the producent Anne Craford desired this depo:t to goe along with her to the signe of the Red Lyon at the Old Swan in Thames Streete there to Meete with the said Thomas Middleton, & to aske of him the wages w:ch was due to the arlate Andrew Hill, And this depo:t at her request did goe with her to the said place, where this depo:t..."

Challenge # 5 Part 2: TNA, HCA 13/73:Two consecutive extracts, from examination of Grace Hogsflesh of Stepney, widowe, aged 39 yeeres or thereabouts, 12th Aprill 1659

"...depo:t at her request did goe with her to the said place, where this depo:t and y:e said M:rs Craford found y:e said Thomas Middleton, And this depo:t then and there asked y:e said Middleton whether hee had not one Andrew Hill Cooke of
his ship, to w:ch the said Middleton Answered yes; and this depo:t asking him howe long y:e sd Hill served in his ship; and at what wages hee was shipped. at. The said Middleton replyed that hee served in his ship about foure yeere, and two Monethes: and was shipped at Thirty shillings p month, And then this depot asked him if hee had paid him any of , his wages: To w:ch hee replyed Noe, I Doe not use to pay men abroad, And the said M:rs Craford being then p:rsent in the same roome; this depo:t told the said Thomas Middleton that this woman (pointing to and meaning y:e said M:rs Craford) was Come to Demand his wages And y:e said Middleton replyed in an angry manner. that hee would not now give her any account of it, because shee had arrested him, and disXXared him: for hee had a house to Comand and a ship..."

TNA, HCA 15/6: Extract, The humble petition of John Martindorp commander of the ship S:t George of Hamburgh, 3rd April 1655.

‎"To the Hono:ble the Judges of the High Court of Admiralty. The humble peticon of JOHN MARTINDORP Comander of the Ship S:t George of Hamburgh for & in the behalfe of himselfe & the rest of the Owners of the said Ship. SHEWETH, That in the
tyme of the late warre betweene England & Holland, the said Ship (w:th others) was taken & brought into England; and that for two yeares & upwards there hath depended a suite in this Hono:ble Court about the proving her to be prize: But after all possible endeavo:rs to that purpose, and expense of much tyme & money in charges to the exceeding damage & detriment of the Interessed, a Sentense hath lately passed in this Hono:ble Court for the setting free of the said Ship and her freight. Neverthles upon informacon putt in by one THOMAS VIOLETT, that out of the Ship SAMPSON of LUBECK (whereof OTTO GEORGE was Comander) some Silver hath beene purloyned or imbeasiled, under that pretence yo:r pet:rs Ship is also deteyned so that he can reape no benefitt by yo:r Hono:rs said Sentense. Now for that yo:r pet:rs Ship is of HAMBURGH and the SAMPSON of LUBECK as aforesaid, & the one no way involved in the others buisines or attempts: And for that yo:r pet:r ought not to answer, for anothers accons: THEREFORE yo:r pet:rs most humble desire and request is that (according to yo:r Hono:rs said Sentense) his said Ship may be speedily discharged, wherby both he & it may be preserved from utter ruine, w:ch otherwise is like to ensue. AND yo:r pet:r as in duty bound shall ever pray s:r./. JOHN MARTINDORP (His signature)"