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'''Neere to the Wooll pack'''
  
 
* "Departed from the Hope (to the best of his remembrance) upon a Sunday morning next after the fore mentioned Saturday, and sayling by the Redstand XXXX and the fflatts that morning, and att that tyme there blew a very strong wind from the Northwest and By west, but the sayd shipp came not to the narrow nor did edge in as is pretended by this interrogatorie, but came neere to the Wooll pack which is out of the narrow, and there struck and lost her rudder"
 
* "Departed from the Hope (to the best of his remembrance) upon a Sunday morning next after the fore mentioned Saturday, and sayling by the Redstand XXXX and the fflatts that morning, and att that tyme there blew a very strong wind from the Northwest and By west, but the sayd shipp came not to the narrow nor did edge in as is pretended by this interrogatorie, but came neere to the Wooll pack which is out of the narrow, and there struck and lost her rudder"
  
 
- ''HCA 13/71 f.106r Case: Wilkinson con Warren; Deposition: XXXX; Date: 02/03/1655 (1656)''<ref>[http://marinelives-transcript.org/scripto/scripto/?scripto_action=transcribe&scripto_doc_id=363&scripto_doc_page_id=1398 HCA 13/71 f.106r]</ref>
 
- ''HCA 13/71 f.106r Case: Wilkinson con Warren; Deposition: XXXX; Date: 02/03/1655 (1656)''<ref>[http://marinelives-transcript.org/scripto/scripto/?scripto_action=transcribe&scripto_doc_id=363&scripto_doc_page_id=1398 HCA 13/71 f.106r]</ref>
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'''The Goodwin Sands in the Downes'''
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* "That coming from Rotchell bound for this Port of London, and upon the Goodwin Sands in the Downes the shipp called the John of Yarmouth whereof this deponent John Paine was Master, did on there or about the 5th day of May last come aground upon the sayd sands and there continued the span of three howers, and giveing notice by fyring severall gunns, theire came from shore 16. boates with about a hundred men in them, where by of the sayd boates and men did bring the sayd shipp off the sayd sands ˹into˺ the downes where shee there ridd in safety for which services done by the sayd Gate's and men, this deponent John Payne did pay (as it was before agreed upon) the summe of 40 li. And tenn shillings for the use of severall Hawsers which hee had from the said boates, which Without which helpe the sayd shipp and Lading must needs have perished"
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- ''HCA 13/71 f.283r ?Affidavit: John Payne of Yarmouth in the County of Norfolk Mariner aged 40 yeares or thereabouts and Thomas Smith of the same Place Marriner aged 41 yeares; Date: 09/06/1656''<ref>[http://marinelives-transcript.org/scripto/scripto/?scripto_action=transcribe&scripto_doc_id=687&scripto_doc_page_id=668 HCA 13/71 f.283r]</ref>
  
 
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Revision as of 19:02, November 11, 2012

Maritime incompetence

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08/11/12: CSG, created page



Purpose of page

The MarineLives project is seeking to link and enhance HCA 13/71, not just to transcribe it. Marine incompetence is alleged and described in a number of HCA 13/71 cases and depositions.

All associates, facilitators, advisors and PhD Forum members are encouraged to contribute to this page from their knowledge of the material, and from their broader knowledge and interest in the topic.

  • What types and examples of marine incompetence are described?
  • To what extent is personal agency assumed versus an acceptance of act of God or the nature of the seas?


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Running aground coastal mudflats and sands


Neere to the Wooll pack

  • "Departed from the Hope (to the best of his remembrance) upon a Sunday morning next after the fore mentioned Saturday, and sayling by the Redstand XXXX and the fflatts that morning, and att that tyme there blew a very strong wind from the Northwest and By west, but the sayd shipp came not to the narrow nor did edge in as is pretended by this interrogatorie, but came neere to the Wooll pack which is out of the narrow, and there struck and lost her rudder"


- HCA 13/71 f.106r Case: Wilkinson con Warren; Deposition: XXXX; Date: 02/03/1655 (1656)[1]

The Goodwin Sands in the Downes

  • "That coming from Rotchell bound for this Port of London, and upon the Goodwin Sands in the Downes the shipp called the John of Yarmouth whereof this deponent John Paine was Master, did on there or about the 5th day of May last come aground upon the sayd sands and there continued the span of three howers, and giveing notice by fyring severall gunns, theire came from shore 16. boates with about a hundred men in them, where by of the sayd boates and men did bring the sayd shipp off the sayd sands ˹into˺ the downes where shee there ridd in safety for which services done by the sayd Gate's and men, this deponent John Payne did pay (as it was before agreed upon) the summe of 40 li. And tenn shillings for the use of severall Hawsers which hee had from the said boates, which Without which helpe the sayd shipp and Lading must needs have perished"


- HCA 13/71 f.283r ?Affidavit: John Payne of Yarmouth in the County of Norfolk Mariner aged 40 yeares or thereabouts and Thomas Smith of the same Place Marriner aged 41 yeares; Date: 09/06/1656[2]



Overloading of ship


John Moye, a twenty year old mariner from the parish of Saint Katherine by the Tower of London, gave evidence about the humiliating sinking of the Julian whilst taking on its lading from a lighter in the river Thames. Moye argued that the cause was the overloading of the ship by the lightermen.

  • "was by waves thereof over flowed by the XXXX tyde slidd and all her ladeing sunke in the thames soe that nothing of he appears a bove water but her mast and a little of her sterne and the company of her was forced to forsake the sayd shipp…"


- HCA 13/71 f.258r Case: Tether against Bergan ?ge; Deposition: 3. John Moye of the parish of Saint Katherine neere the Tower London Mariner aged 20; Date: 18/06/1656[3] CHECK DETAILS
  1. HCA 13/71 f.106r
  2. HCA 13/71 f.283r
  3. HCA 13/71 f.258r